Venom meeting Spider-Man, it seems that further films in Sony's universe of Spider-Man characters may no longer be made. While nothing in comic book movies is ever a true end, so many details suggest that several, if not all, of these character iterations are done.
With so many Marvel shared universes created, it can get confusing to follow and understand which ones integrate with each other. After films like Spider-Man: No Way Home connected with multiple different universes, it became suggested that all of these universes are contained together. The recent casting of X-Men in Avengers: Doomsday has only bolstered this theory, making things even more confusing. Still, I'd argue that the appearance of characters from Sony’s universe in future projects is now very unlikely.
Fox's X-Men Movies Had Some Major Wins & Losses Just Like Sony's Spider-Man Universe
The Franchise Has Had Many High-Highs And Several Low-Lows
While the two franchises were quite distinct, coming from different eras and finding different kinds of success, there are actually some surprising similarities between the Fox X-Men Universe timeline and Sony's universe of Spider-Man characters. Fox realized major fluctuations in their success, with some of their films connecting, and others failing to. Time seemed to impact this but less than expected; the franchise received both its highest and lowest-grossing films in its last two entries, with Deadpool & Wolverine and The New Mutants respectively.
Release Date |
Fox X-Men Movie |
Production Budget |
Opening Weekend |
Domestic Box Office |
Worldwide Box Office |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jul 26, 2024 |
Deadpool & Wolverine |
$200,000,000 |
$211,435,291 |
$636,745,858 |
$1,338,071,348 |
May 18, 2018 |
Deadpool 2 |
$110,000,000 |
$125,507,153 |
$324,591,735 |
$786,362,370 |
Feb 12, 2016 |
Deadpool |
$58,000,000 |
$132,434,639 |
$363,070,709 |
$781,947,691 |
May 23, 2014 |
X-Men: Days of Future Past |
$200,000,000 |
$90,823,660 |
$233,921,534 |
$747,862,775 |
Mar 3, 2017 |
Logan |
$127,000,000 |
$88,411,916 |
$226,277,068 |
$614,202,315 |
May 27, 2016 |
X-Men: Apocalypse |
$178,000,000 |
$65,769,562 |
$155,442,489 |
$542,537,546 |
May 26, 2006 |
X-Men: The Last Stand |
$210,000,000 |
$102,750,665 |
$234,362,462 |
$459,260,946 |
Jul 26, 2013 |
The Wolverine |
$115,000,000 |
$53,113,752 |
$132,556,852 |
$416,456,852 |
May 2, 2003 |
X-Men 2 |
$125,000,000 |
$85,558,731 |
$214,949,694 |
$406,348,630 |
May 1, 2009 |
X-Men Origins: Wolverine |
$150,000,000 |
$85,058,003 |
$179,883,157 |
$374,825,760 |
Jun 3, 2011 |
X-Men: First Class |
$160,000,000 |
$55,101,604 |
$146,408,305 |
$355,408,305 |
Jul 14, 2000 |
X-Men |
$75,000,000 |
$54,471,475 |
$157,299,717 |
$296,872,367 |
Jun 7, 2019 |
Dark Phoenix |
$200,000,000 |
$32,828,348 |
$65,845,974 |
$246,356,895 |
Aug 28, 2020 |
The New Mutants |
$67,000,000 |
$7,037,017 |
$23,855,569 |
$47,535,251 |
It is clear, based on the box office results, that interest in the franchise waxed and waned with time. This was also true concerning the Sony films. While the Venom films have all been able to find decent success, with even the most recent 2024 sequel grossing $474 million, the other films in the franchise did not reach those same heights. While the Spider-Verse films were also a great success, their connection to the larger franchise felt different due to their being animated films in their own universe.
Release Date |
Sony Marvel Movie |
Production Budget |
Opening Weekend |
Domestic Box Office |
Worldwide Box Office |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Oct 5, 2018 |
Venom |
$116,000,000 |
$80,255,756 |
$213,511,408 |
$856,081,053 |
Jun 2, 2023 |
Spider-Man: Across the Spid… |
$100,000,000 |
$120,663,589 |
$381,593,754 |
$681,138,413 |
Oct 1, 2021 |
Venom: Let There be Carnage |
$110,000,000 |
$90,033,210 |
$213,550,366 |
$501,546,922 |
Oct 25, 2024 |
Venom: The Last Dance |
$110,000,000 |
$51,012,404 |
$139,755,882 |
$474,492,936 |
Dec 14, 2018 |
Spider-Man: Into The Spider… |
$90,000,000 |
$35,363,376 |
$190,173,195 |
$374,561,597 |
Apr 1, 2022 |
Morbius |
$75,000,000 |
$39,005,895 |
$73,865,530 |
$162,759,437 |
Feb 14, 2024 |
Madame Web |
$80,000,000 |
$15,335,860 |
$43,817,106 |
$100,298,817 |
Dec 13, 2024 |
Kraven the Hunter |
$110,000,000 |
$11,001,109 |
$25,026,310 |
$60,011,428 |
The New Mutants' Box Office Serves As A Cautionary Tale To Sony's Spider-Man Universe
The 2020 Film Is The Lowest Gross X-Men Film
While the X-Men franchise was enormous, and while it had by that point released several films that had grossed well over $500 million, things took a turn with the disappointing results of The New Mutants. While much of this had to do with a botched release, and studio decisions that wound up fumbling this X-Men spinoff's potential, it is clear that The New Mutants was a big failure for Fox. I think it’s clear that crossing only $47 million on a $67 million budget would have been devastating for the studio.
However, the other details this suggests are much greater than this. While cinematic universes became an enormous rage in Hollywood after the incredible success of The Avengers, the intervening years have made it clear that not every property can justify their own cinematic universe. Fox attempted to expand the size of their world with miscellaneous titles and characters like The New Mutants, but there was little interest in it. I believe this now comes across as a warning and, with the failure of Kraven the Hunter, suggests that Sony may not have enough to build their own viable universe from.
After Killing Their Main Lead, Sony's Spider-Man Universe Can't Pull Its Own Deadpool & Wolverine Either
Sony Has No Bankable Characters Left In Their Franchise
After The New Mutants failed at the box office, the universe of the X-Men pivoted into telling one last goodbye story with some of their most popular characters, resulting in the franchise's highest-grossing film, Deadpool & Wolverine. While something like this could be a hit for Sony, it does not appear that they have any characters with which to do anything of the sort. Tom Hardy's Venom was their most bankable character, but he was killed in the ending of Venom: The Last Dance, leaving the studio with only a few options to move ahead.
In looking at the larger franchise, Sony already did something similar with their more bankable and successful characters by bringing back Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield in Spider-Man: No Way Home. It seems that these characters may be the only option for their franchise moving forward. Perhaps in several years, after enough time has ed since Venom's death, Tom Hardy could be brought back for another project. However, this feels far too soon right now.
One Avengers: Doomsday Cast Member is Venom's Best Path Into The MCU
John Walker, the new Venom? The MCU may already be retelling USAgent's path to becoming a symbiote host, ahead of Thunderbolts and Avengers: Doomsday.
The future of Sony now seems to be devoted to making the best films possible from Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse and the next MCU installment, Spider-Man: Brand New Day. Unfortunately, this will be at the cost of ending the dedicated Sony universe, and the end of characters like the villains from Kraven the Hunter. It is always difficult to move on, but this seems to have been the right decision, and hopefully that will become clear as more of Sony’s Spider-Man films are released in the years.
Kraven the Hunter
- Release Date
- December 13, 2024
- Runtime
- 127 Minutes
- Director
- J.C. Chandor
Cast
Sergei Kravinoff / Kraven
Nikolai Kravinoff
WHERE TO WATCH
- Writers
- Art Marcum, Richard Wenk, Matt Holloway
- Franchise(s)
- Marvel Cinematic Universe
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